Gymnastics and Gymnasts23 Apr 2008 10:15 am
So it looks like the same skill to me. Who will get credit for it?
Here’s Nastia’s version from the 2008 Pacific Rim Championships (around 1:26), which, by the way, was one of the best Beam routines I have seen in a very long time. Beautiful.
And check out Nistor’s version of it at the 2008 European Championships (around 1:13). Nastia’s is arguably the more aesthetically appealing of the two but that won’t be the deciding factor.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm
i think its because nistor does it in a more tuck position and nastia is more piked and i think nastia discusses this move more and i think that you can find it on gymnast.com
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I’m pretty sure Nistor is going for it tucked and Nastia is definitely working on submitting it piked.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm
semenova and isbaza do it too.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Woa–OK totally different topic but what do you think about Jennifer Sey’s book?–I just finished reading it…another slam on the Parkettes coaches etc. I wonder if they’ll respond and how? I always thought that one coach that I saw w/K. Maloney was creepy looking! She really put it out there!
April 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
whats the book called?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Its Called “Chalked Up” by jennifer Sey
April 25th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Ksenia Semenova does the laid-out verson. I personally think it’s much more beautiful than either Liukin’s or Nistor’s skill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ydHpVXc2Y
(about 0:54)
April 26th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Isn’t it that you have to perform it in World’s or in the Olympics to have a skill named after you?
IMO, as unpolished as it looks, I think Nistor should get the credit.
April 27th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Nistor’s is a front tuck to scale, Semenova and a whole lot of others do a front aerial to scale, liukin is suppose to do a front pike to scale- but she hasn’t really done it yet, it seems nastias doing a combination of the tuck and aerial
May 2nd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Robin, I just finished Chalked Up.
I think a lot of elite gymnasts stories would be very similar: practice and compete while injuried (as little healing time as possible), verbally abusive coaches, pressure not to gain weight, focus on winning.
Her book pretty much echoes Little Girls in Pretty Boxes but from from a first hand perspective.
You can see these things play out with other gymnasts. Was it the 1996 Olympic Trials when a gynnasts slammed her head on the balance beam (Amy?) and got back up and continued. No trainer looked at her, she was not taken to a hospital, her parents sat in the stands and watched. By the end of the meet she had an egg size bump on her forehead and I was wondering why no one was worried if she had a concussion.
Jenny Thompson, kept training after injury after injury after injury. When she finally called it quits with a press conference it was said her mother was completely devestated.
Vanessa Atler — keeping that move on the bars that she had so much trouble with it, what was that all about? I think that was pure ego on the part of her coaches.
When Vanessa went Texas her new coaches were upset she had surgery on her ankle and had gained four pounds. She weighed in three times a day.
Ah, this is getting long so I’ll stop.
You said “another slam on the Parkettes coaches”; what are the others?
May 6th, 2008 at 3:50 am
I think that nastia is trying to do the skill in the completely laidout position. semenova does it from an ariel which is an arch. And also nistor’s is obviously a tuck. So there might be a liukin, nistor, and a semenova. I also hope that nastia will go back to doing her 06 leap combo. It’s hard and it’s exquisite. I also hope she upgrades her vault to a double twist. And I don’t want to be crazy but it would be cool if she upgraded her bars to a 8.0. But that won’t happen because she alresdy has an exhausting routine.
May 24th, 2008 at 1:14 am
I wasn’t planning on commenting on this, but i have though about this matter alot aswell and have been trying to find answers. I think actually prefer the look of the more salto’ish versions of the skill from liukin and nistor as i find the arial ness of semenova’s makes it less impreseeive cause it just looks like an arial. Regarding the skill nastia has said that the version she performed at pacific alliance was not quite as piked as she would like, and refered to it as being tucked. However when comparing the too i think its pretty obvious that although nastia tucks in her PAC version, nistors tucks significantly earlier.
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:38 pm
I would call it The Liukin!
July 27th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
I think that there should be a nistor, liukin, and a semenova
they all are different
my favorite is definitely nastia’s.